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. >> bill ritter is director of operations for mitt romney. campaign staff make sure the right number of people show up. hillary clinton's campaign was run by patty. >> you make phone calls. you do robo calls. >> john: hillary is going to be here. do they show up? >> yes. >> john: they even advertise in the sky. >> see if the plane company can do this flash. >> john: because if the arena is bigger than the crowd it looks bad. >> the football stadium seems about 80,000 people. romney had about a thousand people in the crowd making it look like a flop. >> john: it's ritter's job to make sure it doesn't happen. >> we are painting part of the backdrop of the shot. >> john: they are obsessed about every sign and camera angle. >> we'll take cameras and set them up on risers we send to the press and make sure the angles are right. you notice about signs, they are always in perfect position for the television cameras for them to pick them up. >> because the way the cameras work we have 40 foot banners. we cover buildings to get the tight shots. >> the
. >> bill ritter is director of operations for mitt romney. campaign staff make sure the right number of people show up. hillary clinton's campaign was run by patty. >> you make phone calls. you do robo calls. >> john: hillary is going to be here. do they show up? >> yes. >> john: they even advertise in the sky. >> see if the plane company can do this flash. >> john: because if the arena is bigger than the crowd it looks bad. >> the football...
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there is a noise exception right now, though as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start the economy segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about creating new jobs? you have two minutes -- each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has been determined mr. president you go first. >> obama: thank you very much for this opportunity. i want to thank governor romney and the university of colorado for your hospitality. 20 years ago i became the luckiest man on earth because michelle obama agreed to a marry me. so i just want to wish sweety you happy anniversary, and let you know a year from now we will not be celebrating it in front of 40 million people. [ laughter ] >> obama: four years ago we went through the worst financial crisis since the great depression. millions of jobs were lost the auto industry was on the brink of collapse, the financial system has frozen up and because of the resilience and determination of the american people we have be
there is a noise exception right now, though as we welcome president obama and governor romney. [ cheers and applause ] >> jim. >> gentlemen, welcome to you both. let's start the economy segment 1, and let's begin with jobs. what are the major differences between the two of you about creating new jobs? you have two minutes -- each of you have two minutes to start. a coin toss has been determined mr. president you go first. >> obama: thank you very much for this opportunity. i...
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>>neil: i like what you said "right now" it is changing people's perception of mitt romney. professor, always a pleasure, thank you. to wall street and whether investors think romney could be a "by." the same bunch is saying in polls they he has no chance to be present but did that change last night? what do you think, scott? >>guest: well, it is interesting. looking at contributions for the last few months, alone from wall street, the big switch from mitt romney of four years ago. the mormon is stormin', this is a romney rally all day long. the markets seems to like where we are. >>neil: you credit this to the romney thing? ing i am. i have to because at this rate the economy is not growing. we have a job number tomorrow that will probably be careful, yes, a fed is all in, but if you watch the futures as i do in the middle of the night to my wife's discretion i have to say futures bounce after this debate. >>neil: you are right. we noticed that and we noticed the foreign market reaction. but you know i don't brag but we were the only ones noticing that. do you think the mar
>>neil: i like what you said "right now" it is changing people's perception of mitt romney. professor, always a pleasure, thank you. to wall street and whether investors think romney could be a "by." the same bunch is saying in polls they he has no chance to be present but did that change last night? what do you think, scott? >>guest: well, it is interesting. looking at contributions for the last few months, alone from wall street, the big switch from mitt romney...
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and hard pressed states right now can't all do that. we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years and governor romney doesn't think we need more teachers. i do. because i think that that is the kind of investment where the federal government can help. they can't do it all but it can make a difference and as a consequence we'll have a better trained work force and that will create jobs because companies want to locate in places where we have a skilled work force. >> two minutes, governor, on the role of government. >> massachusetts, our schools are ranked number one in all 50 states. the key to great schools is great teachers. every school district, every state, should make that decision on their own. the role of government, look behind us. the constitution and declaration of independence. the role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents. first, life and liberty. we have a responsibility to protect the lives and liberties of our people. that means the military secon
and hard pressed states right now can't all do that. we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years and governor romney doesn't think we need more teachers. i do. because i think that that is the kind of investment where the federal government can help. they can't do it all but it can make a difference and as a consequence we'll have a better trained work force and that will create jobs because companies want to locate in places where we have a skilled work...
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wait a second, romney rooip, romney, ryan. there we go. all right. that's great. >> oh sweet jesus. >> eliot: i don't think he is real. i think he is a computer. rich, chewy caramel rolled up in smooth milk chocolate. don't forget about that payroll meeting. rolo.get your smooth on. also in minis. >> eliot: in a climate where your i don't knows and worker rights have been under attack the teacher's strike resulted in significant gains for teachers and the educational reforms they support. in president of the american federation of teachers, the chicago teachers' national union, wrote and i quote . . . weingarten, the president of the american federation of teachers, the chicago teachers' national union. randi, thank for joining us. >> it's always great to be with you, eliot. >> eliot: thank you. you did reform late the education conversation with the strike. explain what you wanted to do and what you think you accomplished? >> no one wants a strike, and a strike is to be avoided virtually at all costs. no one goes into a strike willingly. but what ha
wait a second, romney rooip, romney, ryan. there we go. all right. that's great. >> oh sweet jesus. >> eliot: i don't think he is real. i think he is a computer. rich, chewy caramel rolled up in smooth milk chocolate. don't forget about that payroll meeting. rolo.get your smooth on. also in minis. >> eliot: in a climate where your i don't knows and worker rights have been under attack the teacher's strike resulted in significant gains for teachers and the educational reforms...
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. >> how does mitt romney peel away voters who right now that say they're going to vote for obama? >> the failures of obama's policies and offer them what he would do and why that would be better for their families, their communities and our country. pretty simple. >> we'll be watching wednesday night. thank you for a terrific roundtables. governor barbour and dean will answer your questions on twitter. and now -- three moments from this week in history. what year was it. >> so help me god. >> a new swing vote on the supreme court. >> judge and now justice kennedy. sounds good, doesn't it? >> it appears that pan-american flight 103 was bold. terrorism. >>> and -- the opening night for broadway's longest running show. >> far more than an old-fashioned broadway musical. >> was it 1986, 1987 or 1988? we'll be right back with the answer. two years ago, the people of bp made a commitment to the gulf. and every day since, we've worked hard to keep it. bp has paid over twenty-three billion dollars to help people and businesses who were affected, and to cover cleanup costs. today, the beac
. >> how does mitt romney peel away voters who right now that say they're going to vote for obama? >> the failures of obama's policies and offer them what he would do and why that would be better for their families, their communities and our country. pretty simple. >> we'll be watching wednesday night. thank you for a terrific roundtables. governor barbour and dean will answer your questions on twitter. and now -- three moments from this week in history. what year was it....
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joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating chi
joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating chi
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he will go right at romney. this is going to be an entirely different -- >> i think that's right. one of the other question, will we see a different kind of moderation? this was a brand-new format where jim leer he wanted to get out of the way and said he was effective in doing that. do you agree. >> i completely agree. i thought jim lehrer was absolutely great and it was a relief. i didn't even know in advance that this agreement had been made that the way the moderator would moderate would be a little more laid back. this is what it was. jim lehrer is old school and a pro. he didn't think it was all about him. he department think it was about getting the camera on him. he didn't think it was about him being the anchor with the whip. you know what i mean? he would ask a question and he would let these two guys either challenge each other or not, either lean back or lean forward, either take issue or not. he left it up to them, that was great because they are the ones running for president, not the critics. >> liberals were because they know obama cannot perform under those circum
he will go right at romney. this is going to be an entirely different -- >> i think that's right. one of the other question, will we see a different kind of moderation? this was a brand-new format where jim leer he wanted to get out of the way and said he was effective in doing that. do you agree. >> i completely agree. i thought jim lehrer was absolutely great and it was a relief. i didn't even know in advance that this agreement had been made that the way the moderator would...
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bush had trouble with. >> eliot: you're right. romney came across as smart. that's what affected it. doug, my question was every time i heard the $5 trillion gig, why did the president not turn to him and say if you do not plan to add a $5 trillion revenue loss what loopholes will you close? give us the broad brush outlines because without that, you don't have credibility. it would have seemed to me to be the appropriate response. >> absolutely. he could have just kept pressing him and i -- before the debate, my whole view was the president needs to spend little bit of time on defense and then just go on the offense. because mitt romney is so vulnerable to attacks not only on his current policies but on his previous policies and in being a flip-flopper and certainly his time as a businessman which really didn't come up that much which was surprising. certainly the president didn't press it but you didn't hear a lot about mitt romney talking about and bragging about how he created jobs because he knew he was vulnerable there. you didn't hear a lot about his ti
bush had trouble with. >> eliot: you're right. romney came across as smart. that's what affected it. doug, my question was every time i heard the $5 trillion gig, why did the president not turn to him and say if you do not plan to add a $5 trillion revenue loss what loopholes will you close? give us the broad brush outlines because without that, you don't have credibility. it would have seemed to me to be the appropriate response. >> absolutely. he could have just kept pressing him...
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mitt romney and i are going to respect the second amendment because it's our individual right to keep and bare arms. >> paul ryan spends the day today attending fundraisers in connecticut. although the u.s. supreme court isn't set to look at any gun rights challenges, it is going to hear several high-profile and controversial cases. tomorrow morning the justices are kicking off the new term. it always happens the first monday in october. here's joe johns with more. >> reporter: right after the supreme court's health care decision in june chief justice john roberts joked to colleagues that he would find an island fortress to escape the political heat. here's how justice bader ginsburg describes it. >> some have called it the term of the century. >> reporter: there are no signs of it cooling down. >> the justices are moving from the frying pan right into the fire. they are tackling some of the most difficult legal questions of the day across the board probably the biggest term in at least a decade. >> reporter: cases involving the contentious issues of affirmative action, same-sex marri
mitt romney and i are going to respect the second amendment because it's our individual right to keep and bare arms. >> paul ryan spends the day today attending fundraisers in connecticut. although the u.s. supreme court isn't set to look at any gun rights challenges, it is going to hear several high-profile and controversial cases. tomorrow morning the justices are kicking off the new term. it always happens the first monday in october. here's joe johns with more. >> reporter:...
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right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in order to, you know, occlude the accusation against you that, i mean, is that how you do it? >> go that, go after the tactic. again, it's easy to say this as a monday morning quarterback, but then you pivot to the substance of it and explain why what he just said is not true. you don't call him a liar or say that's not true. or do something that can end up, you know, going viral in some way that is not helpful to the campaign. just have to very clearly and cogently, and it was cogency that was lacking last night, rip through the other guy's point. >> mitt romney said he does not espouse positions he's been runnin
right at the top of that debate last night when romney first mentioned trickle-down government, obamaobviously, it's easy to say in retrospect, he should have said, no, you're the big supporter of trickle-down economics, let's not confuse the issue, let's be clear, you believe in trickle-down economics and grab the initiative. he has to do that the next time when romney plays these word games. >> is the thing to do to name the tactic? you are doing this in order to confuse the fact, in...
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there has to be a contrast between a romney recovery and obama stagnation, and frankly it's not right or left. it's common sense getting the country back to work, having an american energy policy. north dakota has 2.7% unemployment. the governor of north dakota has a billion-dollar rainy day fund and they've had three tax cuts in a row. now romney should be focusing on that kind of big choice, and it's not really right or left so much as it is common sense versus fuzzy ideas they don't work. >> schieffer: they've also discovered oil out there. but i'll ask you about that in a little bit. we'll be back in one minute with a little analysis of this. it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter. >> schieffer: we're back now to talk more about the election and these upcoming debates can marsha blackburn, bob shrum who write
there has to be a contrast between a romney recovery and obama stagnation, and frankly it's not right or left. it's common sense getting the country back to work, having an american energy policy. north dakota has 2.7% unemployment. the governor of north dakota has a billion-dollar rainy day fund and they've had three tax cuts in a row. now romney should be focusing on that kind of big choice, and it's not really right or left so much as it is common sense versus fuzzy ideas they don't work....
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substantively barack obama was right on, because mitt romney was breath-takingly dishonsest last night. mitt romney was more in control of the debate and walked all over jim lehrer and obama didn't fight back. obama had the facts and didn't use them, but this is what obama does. in 2008 when he ran against hillary clinton, people said he wasn't fighting hard enough and against john mccain and in the health care debate, he wasn't fighting hard enough. he won all the fights. >> what's interesting, our first team and others brought up the comparison of the incumbent curse. george w. bush, ronald reagan in '84, george h.w. bush in '92, the president didn't seem to be on his game. mitt romney made a surprise appearance to a cpac event in denver still courting the conservatives but say if you know people that voted for president obama, tell them to come on over to our side. that's ironic because i don't imagine he knows many conservative republicans who voted for president obama the last time or plan to this time. nevertheless, you're no fan of governor romney. did you become a fan last nigh
substantively barack obama was right on, because mitt romney was breath-takingly dishonsest last night. mitt romney was more in control of the debate and walked all over jim lehrer and obama didn't fight back. obama had the facts and didn't use them, but this is what obama does. in 2008 when he ran against hillary clinton, people said he wasn't fighting hard enough and against john mccain and in the health care debate, he wasn't fighting hard enough. he won all the fights. >> what's...
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this is a fundamental disagreement about the way the world works and i think that romney was right this morning when he went in, he said look, there are two different viewpoints here. >> jennifer, you have to hold back. i can see you racing to get in there. it's not like last night. you can just pile in. >> truly, the $716 billion as you know was the same $716 billion in savings that paul ryan put into his budget, and which all of those republicans voted for. why? because it's about smart way of managing medicare. it is not taking away a single benefit. it is not cutting off a single beneficiary. it's asking the providers to manage their care better. and that was a smart thing to do. that's why paul ryan supported it, and every fact checker, not just cnn, but every fact checker that has looked at this has said it is a lie, a pants-on-fire lie. >> newt gingrich, a pants-on-fire lie. >> this is baloney. what they're saying is you can take $716 billion out of a program magically but you won't have taken $716 billion out of the program. now, that is simply a denial of how the real world wor
this is a fundamental disagreement about the way the world works and i think that romney was right this morning when he went in, he said look, there are two different viewpoints here. >> jennifer, you have to hold back. i can see you racing to get in there. it's not like last night. you can just pile in. >> truly, the $716 billion as you know was the same $716 billion in savings that paul ryan put into his budget, and which all of those republicans voted for. why? because it's about...
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right after the debate. this is the best debate by a republican since lincoln. >> that's what i said. it is easy to say best since reagan. everybody said that. my father remember a line here and there when he debated jimmie cart yer mondale and they are great debates of course. but the debate that mitt romney put on. it was a mitt romney debate. not reagan. the depraspness of the issues and the way he went and from the beginning to the end. there great moments all the way through. there were not just one but many. that was the best debate since lincoln and i say that to honor mitt romney for what he did and not tie him to ronald reagan. we make a mistake when we look for ronald reagan. we were not looking for lincoln when we found reagan. and we were looking for a landlorder and we found one the other night. >> so many conservatives feel your father set the high bar in the presidential debates. >> i think they probably did. that is the only person they have been able to quote. they had no other republican to
right after the debate. this is the best debate by a republican since lincoln. >> that's what i said. it is easy to say best since reagan. everybody said that. my father remember a line here and there when he debated jimmie cart yer mondale and they are great debates of course. but the debate that mitt romney put on. it was a mitt romney debate. not reagan. the depraspness of the issues and the way he went and from the beginning to the end. there great moments all the way through. there...
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their basic message was, yes, mitt romney did very well. yes, his tone was right. yes, his style was right. but he lied the whole way through the debate. i problem i think for the obama campaign is that they didn't spend a lot of time going through what the substantive problems were with the arguments that mitt romney was making. if you want to accuse somebody of lying in the context of a presidential campaign, you have to lay it out pretty clearly. >> greta: byron. >> they have not been able to come up with an explanation for why the president didn't use the ammunition he had, if he wanted to. he never mentioned the 47% or bain capital. never mentioned any war on women. all of the things that the democratic faithful wanted to hear, he didn't say eye have a theoro that, as a lawyer, you don't want -- you don't want him to look dirty and get in the gutter and start to push those buttons. he has all of those ads out there, everybody's going to be hearing that, he has the super pacs, why get his hans dirty? >> they could say that. but i asked david plouffe that. i ask
their basic message was, yes, mitt romney did very well. yes, his tone was right. yes, his style was right. but he lied the whole way through the debate. i problem i think for the obama campaign is that they didn't spend a lot of time going through what the substantive problems were with the arguments that mitt romney was making. if you want to accuse somebody of lying in the context of a presidential campaign, you have to lay it out pretty clearly. >> greta: byron. >> they have not...
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this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a scrooge mcduck and he can't seem to shake it no matter what he says. it's just sort of baked in at this point, i don't know how he gets around and positions himself as a man of the people when he's seen as the man of bain capital. >> we're going to get some unique insights about presidential debates from a broadcasting pioneer carol simpson was the first minority woman to moderate a presidential debate back in 1992, he's going to join us in about a half an hour. >>> we're getting a deadly reminder of the -- two americans, one soldier and one civilian contractor killed during another green on blue attack in thi
this could signal a pretty significant shift to the right. >> your latest title focused on 34i9 romney. commiserating with the moneyed masses. >> i went to his event in northern virginia and he was talking to a group of veterans and large numbers of unemployment and income forming and i took a stroll through the parking lot with that my roles and the romney bumper sticker on it. but i think that was a metaphor for what the problem is here and that he has his reputation of being a...
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governor romney than it is for president obama. we know president obama. we either like him, don't like him or are in between. lot more people have to get to know govern orromnor romney so more important debate. i think he has to be presidential. i think he has to convey the kind of person that people would be comfortable with as president. i tend to think we kind of score this as if it's a boxing match or basketball game. >> you know what it's like to debate mitt romney. i don't want to rehash any old wounds but i do want to play just some of the thing you guys got into and ask what he's like as a debater. >> governor romney, was new york a sanctuary city? >> absolutely. called itself a sanctuary city. in fact, in the welfare reform act president clinton brought forward said they were going to end the sanctuary policy of new york city, the mayor actually brought a suit to maintain its sanctuary city status. >> it's unfortunate, but mitt generally criticizes people in a situation in which he's had far the worst record. for example,
governor romney than it is for president obama. we know president obama. we either like him, don't like him or are in between. lot more people have to get to know govern orromnor romney so more important debate. i think he has to be presidential. i think he has to convey the kind of person that people would be comfortable with as president. i tend to think we kind of score this as if it's a boxing match or basketball game. >> you know what it's like to debate mitt romney. i don't want to...
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right. we could go mitt romney event and film romney footage. would we getting the same things the news crew get. we can't shoot an ad of romney talks to the call are a why he'll be the best president. what it does is the anticoordination laws they almost make all the outside group negative because at that point you know we're not coordinating with barack obama to run a negative ad about him. we were to run a poz ad about mitt romney people would question where you get the footage from. in 2010 cross roads ran an ad supportive of now senator rob portman in the ohio senate race, we had pulled the video food age from a public i are available place youtube. -- [inaudible] within the fcc over something silly perversely the campaign laws have created a situation there's a lot of contrast advertising because of the prohibition. >> the committee is due. the economic their inexpect arms they doing a bunch of comparative ads. they don't coordinate each of the candidates is throwing the information on the party website. democrats, republicans same thing.
right. we could go mitt romney event and film romney footage. would we getting the same things the news crew get. we can't shoot an ad of romney talks to the call are a why he'll be the best president. what it does is the anticoordination laws they almost make all the outside group negative because at that point you know we're not coordinating with barack obama to run a negative ad about him. we were to run a poz ad about mitt romney people would question where you get the footage from. in 2010...
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they're making me do my homework. >>. >> right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people are just hoping he remains upright. >> let's get to our panel. we're joining by a laughing krystal ball and joy reid. joy, there's a new poll which shows the president enjoys an 18-point advantage over mitt romney among women, but i guess that's another dirty trook trick by the liberal media. >> can we show the unskewed version of that poll? >> even at 18%. >> i think the problem for mitt romney, it isn't women's issues, it's also medicare. more women than men are concerned about taking care of their parents, and i think just the overall gamut of issues sort of favor the president with women, and i'll tell what you, mitt romney could only overcome a gap like that with women if he had a comparable gap among seniors. i think when you combine the gender gap with now the shrinking age gap, problems for romney. >> okay. well, krystal, to joy's point, mr. romney is increasingly relied upon his wife to connect to women. take a listen. here she is. >> this is the mitt romney i know, an
they're making me do my homework. >>. >> right now they're drilling him on basic grammar skills. >> romney's people are just hoping he remains upright. >> let's get to our panel. we're joining by a laughing krystal ball and joy reid. joy, there's a new poll which shows the president enjoys an 18-point advantage over mitt romney among women, but i guess that's another dirty trook trick by the liberal media. >> can we show the unskewed version of that poll? >>...
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mitt romney better get off a high horse to come down to mainstream. people are terrified right now the president is leading a lot of the polls but i look at the trend if you argue not as big of the lead the trend is not his friend. >> obama's says i am a person of the people says they will put you in chains and take you -- take your life they hate women. people will believe it it distorts the reality and mitt romney better break up the better bring this down to a coal miner in ohio and the factory worker and a farmer gets it if not he will lose the election. neil: thank you very, very much. have ron paul who has had enough with it all. unplugged and looking at a believable mess that nobody is taking the time to address. democrats could see a meltdown in november. they could see the 2010 shellacking all over again the capital one cash rewards card gives you a 50% annual bonus. and everyone, but her... likes 50% more cash. but, i have an idea. do you want a princess dress? yes how about some cupcakes? yes lollipop? yes! do you want an etch a sketch? yes
mitt romney better get off a high horse to come down to mainstream. people are terrified right now the president is leading a lot of the polls but i look at the trend if you argue not as big of the lead the trend is not his friend. >> obama's says i am a person of the people says they will put you in chains and take you -- take your life they hate women. people will believe it it distorts the reality and mitt romney better break up the better bring this down to a coal miner in ohio and...